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miriam_eIt made me feel physically sick to read this
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/how-victoria-gave-the-green-light-to-torture/2006/05/16/1147545322311.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
I heard a discussion recently about the East German secret police -- the Stasi. Anna Funder has written a book about it, called Stasiland. In the course of the program it was noted that we are on a course towards a similar kind of police state.
How the hell have we leapfrogged the whole debate about use of torture at all, and gone straight to allowing it to be used to kill?
A moment's thought shows that torture is unreliable. If someone is fanatical enough to hang onto information so that someone feels torture is needed, then that person is just as likely to give out misleading information, but worse, torture can be used to force "confessions" from innocent people because at the time they will say anything to stop the pain. The only kind of person who is unlikely to give up information is one who is guilty.
The biggest problem of all is that torture never stops at the boundaries imposed. It always justifiably creeps further and further until it is used anytime police or security want it. Then it is used as a punitive measure against people who are seen as non-conformist or troublesome. That is an incredibly tiny step from our current position.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/how-victoria-gave-the-green-light-to-torture/2006/05/16/1147545322311.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
I heard a discussion recently about the East German secret police -- the Stasi. Anna Funder has written a book about it, called Stasiland. In the course of the program it was noted that we are on a course towards a similar kind of police state.
How the hell have we leapfrogged the whole debate about use of torture at all, and gone straight to allowing it to be used to kill?
A moment's thought shows that torture is unreliable. If someone is fanatical enough to hang onto information so that someone feels torture is needed, then that person is just as likely to give out misleading information, but worse, torture can be used to force "confessions" from innocent people because at the time they will say anything to stop the pain. The only kind of person who is unlikely to give up information is one who is guilty.
The biggest problem of all is that torture never stops at the boundaries imposed. It always justifiably creeps further and further until it is used anytime police or security want it. Then it is used as a punitive measure against people who are seen as non-conformist or troublesome. That is an incredibly tiny step from our current position.
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Date: 2006-05-18 09:33 am (UTC)Well, there's only one cure: we gotta take our countries back. The right-wing loons are perfectly willing to work to get out their vote (and suppress ours) so we'd better be willing to put in the work too.