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Alien intelligence
I'm all in favor of searching the stars for alien intelligences. I am absolutely certain they are out there somewhere, though probably too far to reach easily. And many of them will be below our level of technological advancement. Many others will have never bothered with technology. Still others will have obliterated themselves when they became powerful enough (as we are in danger of doing). But I am sure there will be alien intellignces out there... somewhere.
I'm not sure how likely it is that we will recognise them when we see them though. See shows like Star Trek where aliens abound, and you'll think that of course we will recognise them. But why is it that we generally don't recognise the alien intelligences already here on Earth? In fact many of us refuse to even recognise intelligences which are very similar to our own.
Dolphins are very like us, in that they have brains similar to ours -- our brains differ in complexity, size, and how convoluted the cortex is. On many scales, dolphin's brains are superior to ours. The only way we smug humans can assume that we are smarter is that we have technology and they don't. But dolphins are well fitted to their world and never needed to develop it, whereas we are weak, awkward, unfit creatures, out of touch with our world, and would quickly die without our technology. Yet most people still consider dolphins to be inferior to us. (Later addition: I checked up on my statements about dolphins to make sure of my facts. I found I'd mis-remembered some. The dolphin's brain doesn't compare easily with the human brain. On many scales it is superior, but the relevance of some of those comparisons is not always clear.)
Anybody who lives with dogs will have many stories of their intelligence, morality, and even their sense of humor, yet many people don't accept that they even have feelings!
What chance is there for accepting truly alien intelligences?
To be honest there are some who have spent their lives studying the aliens we share this planet with, but their work is not widely known. Irene Pepperberg has spent decades studying the mind of birds, specifically African Grey Parrots, mostly thru her associate, Alex who is an African Grey Parrot. Alex has shown that he can understand abstract concepts like color, shape, and number. In fact Alex is better at counting objects at a glance than any human. Birds are really more alien than you might imagine. We use the wrinkled grey cortex of our brains for thinking. Birds have developed an entirely different part of their brains to do the job. And they are more efficient at it than we are. Probably because of the constraints of flight meaning they need to pack more into a smaller volume, they test as much smarter than mammals with equivalent brain sizes. Parrots and crows are the intelligent envoys of the bird world.
Then there are even more alien creatures like squid (do you eat kalimari?). They are smart and social. They have a way of communicating that stretches our understanding to the limit. Instead of making noises they ripple colors and patterns along their skin. They are very adept at this and a squid can be displaying one set of colors and patterns to a squid on one side while simultaneously displaying a very different set of colors and patterns to another squid on its other side. I read a while back of a researcher who was studying squid in the wild to see if they have a reliable vocabulary and has found to his delight not only that they do, but that it is very large. Squid and octopus are shellfish, related to the snails in your garden. Octopus have shown many times how intelligent they are. An octopus' brain is very weird, and forms a ring around its throat. How alien can you get!
The elephant fish lives in muddy eastern rivers of Africa. It has a large brain and is said to be very intelligent and easy to train, but as far as I know nobody has really studied it much. It "sees" in the murky waters using electrical fields that it generates with specialised muscles down its sides. Imagine that for a moment. It is aware of things all around it at once and is able to integrate the pattern to make sense of it. Another alien living here.
Recent research has shown that even fruit flies have the rudiments of conscious mind! How long can we remain so blind and refuse to see the aliens all around us? And what hope is there of seeing it when we find it out there among the stars?
I'm not sure how likely it is that we will recognise them when we see them though. See shows like Star Trek where aliens abound, and you'll think that of course we will recognise them. But why is it that we generally don't recognise the alien intelligences already here on Earth? In fact many of us refuse to even recognise intelligences which are very similar to our own.
Dolphins are very like us, in that they have brains similar to ours -- our brains differ in complexity, size, and how convoluted the cortex is. On many scales, dolphin's brains are superior to ours. The only way we smug humans can assume that we are smarter is that we have technology and they don't. But dolphins are well fitted to their world and never needed to develop it, whereas we are weak, awkward, unfit creatures, out of touch with our world, and would quickly die without our technology. Yet most people still consider dolphins to be inferior to us. (Later addition: I checked up on my statements about dolphins to make sure of my facts. I found I'd mis-remembered some. The dolphin's brain doesn't compare easily with the human brain. On many scales it is superior, but the relevance of some of those comparisons is not always clear.)
Anybody who lives with dogs will have many stories of their intelligence, morality, and even their sense of humor, yet many people don't accept that they even have feelings!
What chance is there for accepting truly alien intelligences?
To be honest there are some who have spent their lives studying the aliens we share this planet with, but their work is not widely known. Irene Pepperberg has spent decades studying the mind of birds, specifically African Grey Parrots, mostly thru her associate, Alex who is an African Grey Parrot. Alex has shown that he can understand abstract concepts like color, shape, and number. In fact Alex is better at counting objects at a glance than any human. Birds are really more alien than you might imagine. We use the wrinkled grey cortex of our brains for thinking. Birds have developed an entirely different part of their brains to do the job. And they are more efficient at it than we are. Probably because of the constraints of flight meaning they need to pack more into a smaller volume, they test as much smarter than mammals with equivalent brain sizes. Parrots and crows are the intelligent envoys of the bird world.
Then there are even more alien creatures like squid (do you eat kalimari?). They are smart and social. They have a way of communicating that stretches our understanding to the limit. Instead of making noises they ripple colors and patterns along their skin. They are very adept at this and a squid can be displaying one set of colors and patterns to a squid on one side while simultaneously displaying a very different set of colors and patterns to another squid on its other side. I read a while back of a researcher who was studying squid in the wild to see if they have a reliable vocabulary and has found to his delight not only that they do, but that it is very large. Squid and octopus are shellfish, related to the snails in your garden. Octopus have shown many times how intelligent they are. An octopus' brain is very weird, and forms a ring around its throat. How alien can you get!
The elephant fish lives in muddy eastern rivers of Africa. It has a large brain and is said to be very intelligent and easy to train, but as far as I know nobody has really studied it much. It "sees" in the murky waters using electrical fields that it generates with specialised muscles down its sides. Imagine that for a moment. It is aware of things all around it at once and is able to integrate the pattern to make sense of it. Another alien living here.
Recent research has shown that even fruit flies have the rudiments of conscious mind! How long can we remain so blind and refuse to see the aliens all around us? And what hope is there of seeing it when we find it out there among the stars?
aleins
Didn't Shakespear say it best. as in Know thyself.
Wouldn't it be wiser to learn all about our own world and what makes it tick b4 roaming to far off into the stars? We can't even communicate with each other very well let alone with all the different species of critters on this planet. Its nice to look to the stars for intelligent life cause you know its really a scarce commodity on this wet rock. When the star travelers coming looking in our neighborhood what could possibly induce them to stop more than a few minutes? Here we sit poisoning our planet. Destroying each other cause we can't get along for really stupid resons. Killing what could be some of their kin. Dolphins birds etc. Truly why would they bother to stop longer than it takes for them to rescue their kin and split.
I bet they came by not to long ago and put up really big space signs that say do not enter truly foolish species on this rock. It really wouldn't surprise me one bit.
oh by the way if you recall last year the Evil bad man that broke into our house went to trial this past mon and tues. after every thing was said and done he was found guilty on all charges and sentenced to life in prison. Now for the very bad thing he did to the 80+ lady thats well and good he deserves tobe spanked over that. But the part that irks me is that now for the next umpty dump years I as a tax payer will now have to keep him locked up at my expense. Ensuring that he gets fed everyday and has nice bed to sleep on and get proper medical treatment. all the good stuff as it were.
Hmm whats wrong with this picture? Guess I'm just griping cause a fell out and bruised my eye yesterday and have big ole med bill now arg..lol well take care Mims and
be well
love to you and new friend
jenna
Re: aleins
Yeah, I often think that if aliens found us (which I doubt -- space is too darned big) that they would quietly tip-toe on by, taking great care not to be noticed by the rabid humans. Hell, we kill and imprison each other for loving the "wrong" gender!! We are not nice folks.
On the subject of the idiot who broke into your home and tried to whup you with the crowbar to extort money, I think of it this way: prison isn't so much punishment as a way to get him away from the rest of society so he doesn't do nasty things to people anymore. He gets a life that includes a basic level of comfort as insurance that if you or some other innocent gets mistakenly locked up you can get thru it without being too damaged in the process. Also it stops us decending to the level of those nasty people... and it is heaps cheaper than execution.
You wished me and my new friend love... what new friend is that? :)
I live here by myself, unless you count Mali the dog... and the wallabies... and all the many, many birds... and the lizards... and the snakes... and the hundreds of spiders in my bedroom (I'm not kidding)... and the zillions of moths they feed on.
Hmmm... guess I'm not so alone. :)
new friend
Yes that would be Mali whom I was counting as your new friend.
love to you and Mali
jenna
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I have said for years that the difference between humans and the other animals on this planet is that we are the only ones stupid enough to do what we do.