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Everybody knows the Nestles brand. Not everybody knows of their past reputation of cold disregard for human life. I commonly refer to them as child murderers.

For a long time Nestles would dress its sales representatives as nurses and send them around to the poor villages in Africa to advise people that powdered infant feeding formulas are the modern, Western way of feeding children, and that it was much superior to breast milk. This was, of course a lie. The West has, for some time, been turning away from bottle feeding of babies. Breast feeding has many advantages, and here in the West bottle feeding is now recommended only in special circumstances.

The Nestles sales reps would give away "free" samples to women who had children, well aware that as soon as these poor folk fed it to their children their own supply of milk would dry up, forcing them to buy what they previously provided naturally. Breasts, if not suckled from several times a day cease to produce milk.

These people were not in a position to spend vast amounts of money on milk formula and would tend to make the expensive milk formula last as long as possible, often leading to under-nourished children at one of the most important periods of growth for the child. But even full feedings of artificial feeding formulas can't compete with human breast milk for nourishment. Breast milk changes in concentration as required and contains growth hormones.

The victims often didn't know about safe sterilisation. Water would appear to be safe to drink because it wouldn't make them sick, but they would have been protected from birth from the organisms in the water by the immunising effect of their mothers' milk. She would drink the water, manufacture antibodies against dangerous organisnms, then breast milk would pass on those antibodies to the child to protect them against those organisms too. That vital chain was now broken. Children who were fed formula were no longer being protected or having their immune system trained by their mother. This was especially dangerous if the apparently harmless water was used without boiling first and possibly millions of children became sick and died unnecessarily.

Many people tried to get Nestles to stop, but how do you stop an immoral multinational? When local officials would try to stop them they would simply bribe their way out.

I don't know if they are still doing it, but a company that gets away with such practices is not, in my view, likely to change in a hurry. And it is the fact that they have indulged in such terrible activities that bothers me.

Often when I tell people about this, they shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, avoiding Nestles products is inconvenient and I don't really let moral crusades guide my shopping." But they miss half of the point. Yes it is largely a moral question for me and I won't knowingly contribute to the salaries of the scum who were invloved in such efforts. But it is also a practical matter: if a corporation demonstrates such total disregard for human life, is it safe to use their products? Do you honestly think that a company which happily produces death and misery in vast numbers of children is going to care if their product can cause diabetes or cancer in you? Do you think they will be proactive and avoid such things? Or will they wait for legislation, and then change only after dragging their feet and squeezing the last drop of money from their dangerous product?

It is not just morality, but simple good sense that prevents me buying Nestles products.

Date: 2002-09-10 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Why would you think that my 'facts' are any more valid than the ones in 'New Scientist'... have you ever asked Nestle for their side of the story... and what about all the other big corporations who do similar despicable things and are unnoticed by the moral majority... and I have no objection to moral crusades, but this one is not having the desired effect... it has back-fired.... and if the boycott did bring down this huge corporation... what happens to the people who depend on Nestle for their livelihood? ...and who is Nestle anyway?

Date: 2002-09-10 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com
Until you reveal them I have no idea of the validity or otherwise of your "real" facts (I put the quotes around that because I thought it was an odd way for you to use the word in light of the lack of any insights from you). You are welcome to posture all you want but that doesn't actually replace information -- it rather tends to cloud it.

I am not so much on a moral crusade as simply saying that cretins who peddle stuff that kills people don't deserve our trust. Seems pretty logical to me.

Ummm... what about other corporations that do rotten things? You wouldn't be suggesting that it is okay for someone to cause harm because others do it would you?

Who said anything about bringing down the corporation? I would just be happy to see groups feel a strong incentive to act in the interests of humanity instead of what makes quick money.

Date: 2002-09-11 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tephramancy.livejournal.com
I am interested by your use of the word "child murderers".

Those babies did not die because of Nestle. They died because their water was polluted. Breast milk or formula - the essense of it still comes from the same rivers that kill thousands of people daily ANYWAY. If anything, by giving them formula, they were providing some of the nutrients and proteins that would not have occured naturally in the mothers because of ill health. Breastfeeding, in this case, was probably far more fatal.

Also, as the anonymous poster mentioned, this was THIRTY YEARS ago. If my information is correct (and I believe it is, since my mother worked for nestle during this period), Nestle apologised for the damage that was caused, and attempted to amend things. Most "Evil" corporations would not have done that. One may not want to forgive and forget, but to use an earlier point, are there not many Nazi's who are *truly* sorry for what they have done? It's a very comendable attitude. At least they admitted to fucking up.

As a final note, Nestle are a company like any other - the survive only by having people buy their products. If they had been deliberately killing small children, they would have been killing the next generation who would have bought their products.

Date: 2002-09-11 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com
Good, thoughtful post, though a couple of things I would quibble with.

I deliberately use "child murderers" because it is startling and emotive. It works to get the point across that the people who did that at the time we involved in willful deaths of children.

Breast milk was the only safe thing for those kids to drink. Their mothers' immune systemes primed the kids' immune systems through the milk. The next safest thing to drink was sterilised water -- a rare commodity, and one which left the kids' immune systems 'uneducated' about the bugs in the water. Most dangerous was the normal water which was all too often what was used to make up the infant formula.

When you say that Nestles didn't kill those kids, the water did, you are using the argument a person might after having run someone over in a car, that they didn't kill -- it was the car that did it. The Nestles execs knew what was happening. They could have changed direction but they didn't. When people tried to stop Nestles they ignored it and pursued short-term profits at the expense of their customers.

I would hope that Nestles apologised. I never heard about it... though I can imagine they would not be advertising it widely. Likewise I never heard of any restitution. How do you fix death?

I am not sure what you mean by "evil", but my definition would have to include having a happy hand in the deaths of children for the sake of money. Would an evil entity attempt to make up? Especially if it found its public image tarnished...? Perhaps. How do you tell the difference between a group that has come to their senses and one that is making a cynical ploy?

Nestles aren't quite like any company. There are many that actually take great care not to hurt their customers. Unfortunately there are some who do hurt their customers. Nestles did that. I hope they learned a lesson that you damage your current or future customers at your own peril... maybe they learned... but I gotta say I find it a bit hard to believe when I see the stuff they peddle to Australian kids today. They and a number of similar companies are pushing foods that are causing an epidemic of overweight diabetes-prone children.

Date: 2002-09-26 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com
A little bit of follow-up on this. It doesn't seem to be only a distant past thing. Sadly, Nestles still seem to still be contributing to child death in third world countries. See the 1999/2000 article (http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7233/468/a) in the British Medical Journal.

Responses to the article show that while appearing to comply with the letter of relevant laws in developed countries Nestles apparently does everything it can to sidestep them. Nestles' reply is interesting (and saddening) in that it says nothing... just gives bland assurances... just spin.

Depressing.

Date: 2002-09-11 02:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Who's posturing... I'm not! ... and I'd rather you got the facts directly from Nestle than from any other source, that includes me, as for the rest of your argument... it sounds like you are contradicting yourself.

What do you hope to achieve with the boycott, if not to bring the company down?

As for the other corporations, I wasn't suggesting that anything is OK, just that Nestle is not unusual as large corporations go, except that the moral majority has it in for them... and let's face it, if they're going to attack someone, why not go for the biggest opponent they can find.

However, I do admire the Nestle protesters in a way, they have continued the fight for 25 years, with no success in terms of impact on the company itself.

Date: 2002-09-11 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com
[sigh] Last time for answering you. I don't think you even read my responses.

Two reasons for passing on the info about Nestles:
1. Perhaps get people to see that to buy things from a group who happily kill their customers is not wise because such a group could be doing that to you.
2. The rather forlorn and remote hope that such companies will see the implications of such actions and avoid damaging their customers and therefore themselves.

I have no interest in destroying a company (not that I could do any such thing anyway).

I hope that Nestles is fairly unusual. I like to think that the capitalist system is a bit better than that, though I must admit in the light of the Enron aftershocks reverberating through the financial world I have to wonder...

Date: 2002-09-11 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It is a waste of effort answering this... if you are really interested in facts... then check out Nestle... they have plenty of websites, both for Nestle(Aust) and the international company, you might also like to check on what the WHO really said about the situation...

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