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miriam_e ([personal profile] miriam_e) wrote2004-09-15 05:24 pm

on winning while losing and things changing so slowly

Our societies have big, big problems if large groups of people can be either swept under the carpet or casually spurned as degenerate for no reason other than prejudice.

I was talking to my brother Peter yesterday about the Labour Party's apparent discrimination against gay people and their jumping on the anti-terrorism propaganda bandwagon. It looks like a shallow ploy by Labour to obtain the vote of the largest part of society possible, in the belief that most people are homophobic and easily frightened to hysteria. Peter felt that this was a reasonable thing to do as they (Labour) are far less evil than the terribly antisocial government we are currently lumbered with. I am very uneasy with this logic. If they can't stand up for minority groups in their pre-election lying campaign, what chance do we have of them behaving morally when they actually gain power? Granted they are not likely to be quite as corrupt as the current government, but recommending someone on the basis that they wouldn't hurt me as much as someone else would doesn't fill me with joy at the prospect of nevertheless being hurt.

Excuse me if I get this uneasy impression that the wicked powers that clasped John Howard to their bosom have dropped him now (note how he flounders lately), have slithered over to Mark Latham and are curling themselves about him. Sadly it looks to me like he is bargaining with the slimy beasts, thinking he can keep control. Poor fool. These scum never relinquish control, and if he gives up his morals this early in the fight then he is doomed. He will probably win the election, but he has already lost the only thing that matters.

It is difficult for me to believe sometimes that here we are in the 21st century where we have information about so much of the structure of the brain; we have sent robots out to many of the planets of our solar system; we can create virtual worlds inside immensely powerful computers; we can carry low cost computers in our pockets that are more powerful than machines that took up entire floors of skyscrapers a bare few decades ago; we are finally starting to uncover the basis of consciousness. And yet... and yet many people don't understand what a simple light switch does; vast numbers of people routinely believe in the most whacked-out, insane superstitions; it is common to consider arbitrary groups of people as subhuman in some way because of skin color, or religion, or sexuality, or lack of money.

I mean, gees!! I am an optimist, and I know things are getting better slowly, but oh how slow it feels. It really seems sometimes that it all balances on a knifedge, at the whim of superstitious cavemen.

[identity profile] gillen.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's a little late in coming, but sorry about somehow infecting y'all with whatever contagion has taken hold of the US. We just couldn't stand to think the Brits had outdone us with the whole rabbit thing, y'know?

[identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
:)
I have had a number of Americans saying sorry about that, but I think we have done this bit of nastiness to ourselves. I mean, it does make it easier for our scheming, nasty politicians to be able to call upon the deeper and more powerful evil over the other side of the Pacific Ocean... but they still have the choice of being honest or corrupt.

Although I think your current crop of politicians are some of the most reprehensible creatures to slither over this planet, I have to say that I have the greatest respect for 99% of the American folk I meet in person and over the net. You guys might yet undo the damage those shit-bags at the helm are doing. The same here. We might change Australia's direction for the better too, though I think you guys stand more chance of it than we do.

Here's hoping.

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
For a long time now I've looked at the news of an evening, and only two words are flashing in brain: "rabid apes". It's like the world is populated with them.

Some days I look at how the world works and get an inkling of how it must have felt for a member of the intelligentsia, being led through a screaming crowd, to the guillotine.

[identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I just don't watch the news anymore really.... well that's not completely true. I watch it on very rare occasions. It is just far too skewed and brainwashing. I have been amazed how even the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation, for any foreiners reading this) have become somewhat corrupted too. Not to the extent that the commercial media have given themselves over wholeheartedly to the dark side, but it is still visible as a sinister undercurrent to some stories.

On the optimistic side I think most people are sufficiently smart to see past the worst of it. The proof of this is the anti-war marches. They had us all convinced the the majority of the population wanted such a war, but when we all spilled out of our rooms to find, to our great surprise, that there were many millions of us who didn't believe the crap laid on us. No matter how much we are told that we are alone, we are not. There are tens of millions of us... and probably many more than that.

Thank heavens for the net!!!

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So very true.

I was at that march, looked around, and hoped to God that at least 75% of them, come the day, wouldn't vote for Howard. I still hope that's the case.

[identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Call me paranoid, but I am starting to have grave suspicions about our voting system. I find it hard to believe that a majority voted for Howard last time. Considering the massive fraud and tampering with votes that goes on in USA, I expect we would have a great amount of fiddling here too. I can't believe that our system is so vastly superior to their one. For instance how do they have cemetaries of people voting and we don't? Deliberate 'losing' of votes might be easier to hide over there than here because voting isn't compulsory there, but on the other hand I don't know of anybody here who was fined for not voting, so maybe that happens here too. (People may actually get fined for not voting here; I may just never hear about it.)

It strikes me as just a little peculiar though. There are millions of dollars to be made and massive power to be garnered by perverting the voting system. You would think we would be hearing about people being found out all the time with such high stakes, but we hear nary a whisper.

[identity profile] alecto23.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I know it's not exactly constructive to deliberately tune out pre-election debates and histrionics, but at the moment it seems like the most practical decision I can make. I've already made up my mind: I use my vote to minimise the damage done, which meant voting in the US election a straight Democratic party ticket (normally I'm not in favour of straight party tickets, but I know that I do not have the time or resources to investigate every person I could vote for and on the whole, Democrats tend to be the lesser of two evils).

For the Australian election, it will probably mean voting Greens first, Democrats second and Liberals last. Labor is probably next-to-last, depending on the various independent parties (Salt Shakers, for example, may just beat Libs into last place, although their website is distressingly well-constructed).

I don't really have any illusions about the overall ethics of politicians; it seems to be an entry requirement that they start compromising whatever morals or ethics they had or they never get anywhere. I'm also very much aware of the whole spin phenomenon and how it can turn someone who thinks people ought to be brainwashed or otherwise de-programmed on the basis of an unpopular or controversial religion, sexuality, gender, etc into seeming like a wonderful person who is all about hugs, puppies and milk for children. Cause what's bad with hugs, puppies and milk for children? Well, nothing, except all the other stuff you're going to bring with it...

I'm hoping we'll figure out a way of revamping the political system so that it isn't quite as much of an exercise in lip-service (at best) and a maze of corrupt, unaccountable deal-making (at not-so best). But at the moment, the most sensible thing seems to be to minimise the damage done, to vote against rather than for. And from that perspective, yes, there's not much to choose from between our two Prime Ministerial candidates. *sigh*

Better luck next time!

[identity profile] miriam-e.livejournal.com 2004-09-15 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to agree for the most part.

I'll be voting Greens followed by Democrat, then assorted crap artists down to probably Liberal last of all. Not sure where Labour go in all this... whether above the various nut-bag groups like the gun lobby and Family First or below them. I'm just expecting preferences to carry Labour past Liberal, but I want them to get the message that we voters are not happy with them. It would be nice to do what we did last time where the Greens doubled their vote! Nobody ever doubles their vote. But they were the only group with any morality and people realised it.

I think on that occasion the Greens were so disgusted by Labour that they didn't give them their preferences so they lost any chance at power and little Johnny Asshole got in again. I may be wrong there though.